ok...part 2 just rocked!!!...Pat you have a talent beyond guitar...it's not easy to sit there and rattle off notes/strings/chords in front of a camera without stopping...you do it quite well...i really think it's awesome that you and your daughter have found something that you can both be involved in too...but that's the dad in me ...lol...very impressed...and see cliffy...here's a guy who says...part2 and actually makes a part 2...lol..
Re: Practice Regimen Part 2 - MusiccaOctober 10th 2008 11:17 Great video Pat !!! This may have in design been directed at HalB, but alot of the things that you explained and showed can (and I'm sure will) be used and practiced by other members here. My self included Your last point about learning every note and where they are on the fretboard is one of the most overlooked and underdeveloped skills for most players. You are right on the money, when you say putiing in that little bit of hard work will pay off in many ways.
you have a great little amp setup there. Orange amps rock and with the attenuator I bet you can get some amazing non-deafening sounds when you saturate those tubes. If you have the oppportunity, a demo of that beast would be very cool.
Re: Practice Regimen Part 2 - halbOctober 10th 2008 3:27 Excellent work Pat. I guess I have my "marching orders" *LOL*. Hey my friend, I am gonna email you this question as well, but others may profit from your answer here. When you do your "fingerboard work," what methods do you use to memorize. Optimally, you want two-way knowledge. Position to note and note to position. In other words, position to note is what you illustrated. YOu play a note and by looking at your string and fret, you know the note. Then there is note to position, where I could ask you to show me all the "C#" notes on the fretboard. It is similar but it actually is a slightly different skill. I am just curious what specific exercises you use to learn. My instructors have given me two basic methods. One is that you just pick a string and start at the nut and name the notes walking up the fretboard. Scott suggested in my last lesson that I just spell out every little riff as I play it. Well, I have not been doing that long enough to know how effective it is. Iknow that walking each string up the fretboard is mind-numbing boring, but you DO eventually learn the string, but it sets one up to always think FROM the nut (that just sounds WRONG ) and count UP to the note rather than instant recognition. So... suggestions?
Re: Practice Regimen Part 2 - HottscullOctober 11th 2008 8:34 Great contribution to the site Pat. An excellent example of structured practice. The goal setting and then focused and structured way to achieve them, very nice man.....
Re:Practice Regimen Part 2 - kingsrvOctober 11th 2008 9:48 OK I just substituted Hal\'s name for mine during that whole thing and sure did get a lesson. Lots of things learned there. Nice ob Pat. Dominate 7th, 13 chords, learn the fretboard. WOW...Your grasp of the fretboard and theory are Awsome. Everytime I try doing this I loose the disipline. OK I\'m on it now, 30 minutes a day. And when and where is this guitar workshop. I wanna come!!!!!
Re:Practice Regimen Part 2 - parispatOctober 11th 2008 2:23 Hal
I am glad you taking up the challenge. It will be worth it. I started by learning from the nut to the twelth fret. I did this everyday for strings 6 and 5 initially. I needed to know the notes on this string so I could play movable chords such as E form and A form chords. This is essential. This makes learning the chords to different songs much easier. Then I laid off for awhile (years). Two years ago, my guitar teacher said that I have to know the notes on the first and second strings to improve my soloing. Well since I know the notes on string 6 , I know the notes on string 1. So I started to learn the notes on string 2. Lastly, I decided I might as well learn strings 3 and 4. not perfect yet, but moving in that direction. The payoff is that now you never get lost when soloing. if out of position, find your nearest root.
King,
Thanks so much.
The workshop is the National Guitar Workshop. They have workshops all over the US. It is great. I like it, because you work with working musicians and you get to play in a band setting with other guitarists, bassists, and drummers who are quite good. The website is www.guitarworkshop.com By the way, that 30 minute routine is not my idea. Almost every good guitarist I know says that you have to leave your comfort zone and work in areas that you are weak in order to improve. They say that consistency is the key. Optimally 1 hr/day, but 30 minutes will do, but it may take a little longer to get to your goal. Once you master the basics, playing new songs will be easy. Improvising becomes much easier also.
Pat
Re:Practice Regimen Part 2 - halbOctober 11th 2008 3:19 Thanks Pat.
I had not seen this post when I sent you my last message. This answers my fretboard question completely, and I had sorted out most of it myself. I mostly need to firm up my 5th string knowledge for chord roots. I do pretty well on the 6th (and of course the 1st as well). I can work on the rest progressively.
I found a little software program that supposedly teaches fretboard geography. Looks like it could be handy when away from the guitar, just for the quizzing ability. It\'s called Absolute Fretboard. Check it out at www.absolutefretboard.com/. I have not actually worked with it, so I don\'t know how effective it is, but it looks like a good idea.
I also found a really good program for sightreading (I hear you all groaning out there *L*). Check it out at www.wieser-software.com/lmusic/. It is like flashcards for your computer and it really works; it is cheap, and actually kinda fun. It does not provide the connection of the note and where that note is on your fretboard. That is a different skill. But it really changes the way you see music that has standard notation and TAB together. You know exactly what you are playing.
King,
Check out the workshop. It is Pat and Hal endorsed. What more could you want!!?? *LOL* Seriously though, as Pat said, it really is a blast. It also is a relatively cheap vacation if you have one within driving distance. I can\'t go somewhere stay in a hotel and buy meals for what the workshop costs. The dorm thing is not great, but it is what it is and it is not that bad.
Hal
Re:Practice Regimen Part 2 - CrashOctober 11th 2008 4:21 Pat you\'re spot on with learning the fretboard, it will open up the whole neck for those of you who are \"stuck\". Dave said the same thing at the beginning of his lesson modules. I teach this to my students as well. It\'s mundane at best, but I break it up with scales and some riffs. Scales are best because they reinforce the note memorization on the fretboard.
How\'s that Orange amp working out for you Pat? I\'ve been considering those as well as the Eggnater and the Mesa Lonestar. Major dineros to dish out on any of them, I\'ve played the Lonestar (love it), and the Eggnater is nice but the Orange keeps catching my eye.
Re:Practice Regimen Part 2 - parispatOctober 12th 2008 1:52 Crash,
I got that Orange Amp (rockerverb 50) after listening to someone play through it at my local guitar store. So the next week, I brought my guitar to the store and played it through the amp. Then I stood back in front of the amp and listened to it as some others play my guitar. I loved the sound. ( To me, it was great). It is extremely versatile ( from jazz clean to almost metal). Since I like blues, jazz, country, and 70\'s to 90\'s rock, it was perfect for me. I get a great sound with a small amount of crunch for blues. Great cleans for jazz with lots of headroom. Great distortion for rock. The sound is not vintage (modern, british blues), but I like it. I recommend it highly. Will do a gear review on it soon (after reviewing video series in order to improve audio)
Pat
Re: Practice Regimen Part 2 - rockin ronOctober 12th 2008 7:20 thats interesting .. thats cice work between you and the camera gal ....RR
Your last point about learning every note and where they are on the fretboard is one of the most overlooked and underdeveloped skills for most players. You are right on the money, when you say putiing in that little bit of hard work will pay off in many ways.
